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		<title>By: wyldfyr</title>
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		<dc:creator>wyldfyr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anybody that trusts the utility companies, I&#039;ve got some stock in Enron to sell them. These people never said anything when their bills more than doubled thanks to deregulation and market manipulation.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anybody that trusts the utility companies, I&#8217;ve got some stock in Enron to sell them. These people never said anything when their bills more than doubled thanks to deregulation and market manipulation.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Dr. M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when you mentioned the eight years of worst economic policies since the great depression despite the worlds record of stock market averages in 2007, I knew you were on crack. 

Also since the president said we wouldn&#039;t pass 8% and it&#039;s 9%+ he was either lying or wrong, I have no reason to believe any of this especially since I know you&#039;re on crack now and there&#039;s a lie/mistake right there.  You really have drunk the kool-aid on oil prices and what has happened with all this haven&#039;t you?  

I vote you reduce your greenhouse emissions and pay higher taxes if you feel better and leave me be.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when you mentioned the eight years of worst economic policies since the great depression despite the worlds record of stock market averages in 2007, I knew you were on crack. </p>
<p>Also since the president said we wouldn&#8217;t pass 8% and it&#8217;s 9%+ he was either lying or wrong, I have no reason to believe any of this especially since I know you&#8217;re on crack now and there&#8217;s a lie/mistake right there.  You really have drunk the kool-aid on oil prices and what has happened with all this haven&#8217;t you?  </p>
<p>I vote you reduce your greenhouse emissions and pay higher taxes if you feel better and leave me be.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Levon the Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levon the Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;and jobs won&#039;t be lost new green jobs will be created because of the bill.&quot;

What&#039;s the technical word for this? Oh yeah, BULLS*IT!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;and jobs won&#8217;t be lost new green jobs will be created because of the bill.&quot;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the technical word for this? Oh yeah, BULLS*IT!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: cshs1960</title>
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		<dc:creator>cshs1960</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>300 Pages Out of Thin Air

 ReadTheBill.org 
Today is the day that the House plans to vote on the cap and trade bill that has mysteriously changed this week. Last night, the bill changed again. We are now looking at an additional 300-pages that will be considered as amending H.R. 2998, the replacement bill of origins unknown. This is what the House Rules Committee tells us:

[I]n lieu of the amendment recommended by the Committee on Energy and Commerce now printed in the bill, an amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the text of H.R. 2998, modified by the amendment printed in part A of the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution, shall be considered as adopted.

This means that H.R. 2998, which will be considered as an amendment in the form of a substitute, will include an additional 300 pages approved by the Rules Committee that will not be voted on. Let me see if I can run this down quickly and succinctly:

The original bill, H.R. 2454, approximately 1,000 pages, was reported out of the Energy &amp; Commerce Committee. 
It was replaced this week by H.R. 2998, 1,201 pages, which will be voted on as an amendment in the form of a substitute. 
The Rules Committee, last night, released a committee report that includes a 300-page amendment to H.R. 2998. This 300-page amendment, the Waxman amendment (#121), is considered as adopted upon an affirmative vote for H.R. 2998, the amendment in the form of the substitute. 
This means that we are looking at 300 extra pages added to the bill overnight. Stay tuned for more and go to  ReadTheBill.org  to tell your congressman that we need time to read the bills.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Read the Bill U Loon !!  You got that chris matthews tingling feeling up your azz yet ?????????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>300 Pages Out of Thin Air</p>
<p> ReadTheBill.org<br />
Today is the day that the House plans to vote on the cap and trade bill that has mysteriously changed this week. Last night, the bill changed again. We are now looking at an additional 300-pages that will be considered as amending H.R. 2998, the replacement bill of origins unknown. This is what the House Rules Committee tells us:</p>
<p>[I]n lieu of the amendment recommended by the Committee on Energy and Commerce now printed in the bill, an amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the text of H.R. 2998, modified by the amendment printed in part A of the report of the Committee on Rules accompanying this resolution, shall be considered as adopted.</p>
<p>This means that H.R. 2998, which will be considered as an amendment in the form of a substitute, will include an additional 300 pages approved by the Rules Committee that will not be voted on. Let me see if I can run this down quickly and succinctly:</p>
<p>The original bill, H.R. 2454, approximately 1,000 pages, was reported out of the Energy &amp; Commerce Committee.<br />
It was replaced this week by H.R. 2998, 1,201 pages, which will be voted on as an amendment in the form of a substitute.<br />
The Rules Committee, last night, released a committee report that includes a 300-page amendment to H.R. 2998. This 300-page amendment, the Waxman amendment (#121), is considered as adopted upon an affirmative vote for H.R. 2998, the amendment in the form of the substitute.<br />
This means that we are looking at 300 extra pages added to the bill overnight. Stay tuned for more and go to  ReadTheBill.org  to tell your congressman that we need time to read the bills.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Read the Bill U Loon !!  You got that chris matthews tingling feeling up your azz yet ?????????</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmbbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmbbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh huh... government estimates of the cost of their programs is SOOO accurate...  lessee... Medicare, Social Security, AmTrak, Post Office... ALL BROKE or WAY over estimated costs.

Oh, and those green jobs?  When the EU went to CnT, a Spanish study showed that 2.2 jobs were LOST for every &quot;Green&quot; job created... So, I guess Barry can claim CREATING jobs, but will he claim those lost?  Unlikely.

Well, at least the tax revenues will help, right? WRONG!  Pelosi had to give away 85% of the proceeds in pork barrel promises to get enough votes to pass...  a real winner, there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh huh&#8230; government estimates of the cost of their programs is SOOO accurate&#8230;  lessee&#8230; Medicare, Social Security, AmTrak, Post Office&#8230; ALL BROKE or WAY over estimated costs.</p>
<p>Oh, and those green jobs?  When the EU went to CnT, a Spanish study showed that 2.2 jobs were LOST for every &quot;Green&quot; job created&#8230; So, I guess Barry can claim CREATING jobs, but will he claim those lost?  Unlikely.</p>
<p>Well, at least the tax revenues will help, right? WRONG!  Pelosi had to give away 85% of the proceeds in pork barrel promises to get enough votes to pass&#8230;  a real winner, there.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Noah H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer we stay with 19th century technology the more it will cost.  The sooner we move on to 21st century technology the soon costs will stabilize.  Cap and trade is part of that package.  let&#039;s suck it up and move on!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer we stay with 19th century technology the more it will cost.  The sooner we move on to 21st century technology the soon costs will stabilize.  Cap and trade is part of that package.  let&#8217;s suck it up and move on!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Peace through blinding force</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peace through blinding force</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Children, Cap and Trade was written by the Socialist International with the STATED purpose of decimating the American economy. Do you really think a couple hundred bucks is going to do that?
Do you really think ANY Democrat would object to reassuring you with price caps if they believed the numbers you&#039;re talking about?
Their refusal to do so PROVES beyond any rational debate that they EXPECT skyrocketing costs and INTEND such.

BTW, SO2 levels fell FASTER before CAA 1990 than they have since.
This bill is INTENDED to increase pollution by orders of magnitude by shifting production AWAY from the cleanest plants and TO the World&#039;s very filthiest in China and other Communist strongholds. The authors said this is absolutely inevitable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Children, Cap and Trade was written by the Socialist International with the STATED purpose of decimating the American economy. Do you really think a couple hundred bucks is going to do that?<br />
Do you really think ANY Democrat would object to reassuring you with price caps if they believed the numbers you&#8217;re talking about?<br />
Their refusal to do so PROVES beyond any rational debate that they EXPECT skyrocketing costs and INTEND such.</p>
<p>BTW, SO2 levels fell FASTER before CAA 1990 than they have since.<br />
This bill is INTENDED to increase pollution by orders of magnitude by shifting production AWAY from the cleanest plants and TO the World&#8217;s very filthiest in China and other Communist strongholds. The authors said this is absolutely inevitable.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: krollohare2</title>
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		<dc:creator>krollohare2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CBO will crunch numbers the way they are told. By omitting certain factors, they came up with a different number.

Fortunately, the other independent and frankly anti-Capp n Trade groups re-ran the numbers and it works out to about $3500 a year and growing.

The CBO doesn&#039;t talk about other costs such as food, tires, batteries, road taxes, water, wastewater, trash pickup, and just about everything else that will be DIRECTLY affected by this.

Be prepared to spend another $300 a month at least and oh yeah for the poor people in Pennsylvania, their bill won&#039;t average at $600 it will be $900 now.

So you will be paying rent to the following people: (1) mortgage company or landlord (2) the county taxing authority (3) income taxes at state and federal levels (4) excise taxes for everything and (5) higher food prices because as we know food&#039;s dependent upon .... OIL!

Duh!!!

Obama and Pelosi and Reid and Waxman and Markey are friggin liars.

You will curse their names in 2010.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBO will crunch numbers the way they are told. By omitting certain factors, they came up with a different number.</p>
<p>Fortunately, the other independent and frankly anti-Capp n Trade groups re-ran the numbers and it works out to about $3500 a year and growing.</p>
<p>The CBO doesn&#8217;t talk about other costs such as food, tires, batteries, road taxes, water, wastewater, trash pickup, and just about everything else that will be DIRECTLY affected by this.</p>
<p>Be prepared to spend another $300 a month at least and oh yeah for the poor people in Pennsylvania, their bill won&#8217;t average at $600 it will be $900 now.</p>
<p>So you will be paying rent to the following people: (1) mortgage company or landlord (2) the county taxing authority (3) income taxes at state and federal levels (4) excise taxes for everything and (5) higher food prices because as we know food&#8217;s dependent upon &#8230;. OIL!</p>
<p>Duh!!!</p>
<p>Obama and Pelosi and Reid and Waxman and Markey are friggin liars.</p>
<p>You will curse their names in 2010.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: dizneygeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>dizneygeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CBO is full of crap. They can&#039;t estimate anything and the House doesn&#039;t even know how much this damn thing will cost since they didn&#039;t even read it.  Most estimates indicate it will be at least $3,000 per year per family.

BTW, what tax rebates and credits? Try to remember that when businesses are taxed, they ALWAYS pass the tax onto consumers. That&#039;s part of business.

ANY tax is bad for the economy, especially in a recession!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Barry is a DWEEB!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBO is full of crap. They can&#8217;t estimate anything and the House doesn&#8217;t even know how much this damn thing will cost since they didn&#8217;t even read it.  Most estimates indicate it will be at least $3,000 per year per family.</p>
<p>BTW, what tax rebates and credits? Try to remember that when businesses are taxed, they ALWAYS pass the tax onto consumers. That&#8217;s part of business.</p>
<p>ANY tax is bad for the economy, especially in a recession!<br /><b>References : </b><br />Barry is a DWEEB!</p>
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		<title>By: freimei</title>
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		<dc:creator>freimei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 13:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CBO originally stated $1700 dollars per year and Nancy Pelosi (from CIA are liars fame) told them to trash the numbers and come up with something that was more in line with the character of the Democrats, you know a big lie.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBO originally stated $1700 dollars per year and Nancy Pelosi (from CIA are liars fame) told them to trash the numbers and come up with something that was more in line with the character of the Democrats, you know a big lie.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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